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It is an insurmountable task making this sojourn viable. So it is still a work in progress and hopefully progress shall be realized sooner rather than later. How is the postal business presently? Is it profitable or are you running up deficits? We are a commercial entity making profits and being sustained by our own generated revenues. However we are running a declining mail business which has been contributing to more than 70 percent of our revenues and at the same time financing our capital investments from our revenues. The reason for losses over the last two years has been due to automating all our systems which we have financed from our own revenues without borrowing and we have been rolling out the ERP across the country. This is because if we are going to be effective in the e-commerce space we have to be technologically at par with the rest of the world. So a customer in say Wajir in Northern Kenya must be able to give a supplier in Lamu at the coast a payment on delivery which reflects instantly and a tracking system that enables one to know where a product is at any moment in time. Likewise when a product is sent from China it should be able to be tracked and a notification sent the moments it is delivered. So we have invested heavily in technology which has affected our bottom line. We however are coming to end of this process by the end of this year and expect to go back to profitability thereafter. What sort of average turnovers have you been doing over the last five years? We generate in the range of 3.6 Billion per year and looking forward anticipate that the new products ‘‘ The post office in Kenya is over 100 years old and the first post office was in Lamu, which was an introduction to this country by the British. In Nairobi, the acacia tree at The Stanley Hotel was the first post office. This is where the initial settlers into Kenya used to leave and pick up messages from.’’ such as the M-Post, agency banking involving all banks, e-commerce and the courier business which is doing well, should propel us back into profitability from next year. Tell us more about your courier business. Our courier wing, EMS, which stands for Expedited Mail Service, is an international company that operates like any other courier business such as FedEx, DHL, TNT Express and others. It falls under the Universal Postal Union and all countries that are members of the postal union have the service. It is one of our fastest growing wings. We have also just introduced clearing and forwarding of cargo which is a growth area. This division does most of the government’s clearing and forwarding business as we are a wholly owned government entity. Tell us more about the postal service in Kenya, how old is it, how many outlets do you have? The post office in Kenya is over 100 years old and the first post office was in Lamu, which was an introduction to this country by the British. In Nairobi, the acacia tree at The Stanley Hotel was the first post office. This is where the initial settlers into Kenya used to leave and pick up messages from. Other post offices grew with the railway and the settlements coming up across the country. The post office is a fully commercial entity which does not depend on government for subsidies or bail outs. There are 653 outlets and about 450,000 post box subscribers. This should increase because the UN recommended ratio is that every post office should serve about 6,000 people. So we are now focusing on opening post offices within universities and other similar institutions to serve students, the lecturers and other staff. Another innovation we are introducing is a product called Travel Lite which enables students to leave their luggage at the post office in their institution and collect it from their post office at home at their own time. We are taking the service closer to the people because the towns have spread and people are now living further and further away from the city centre. All distances within towns across Kenya and the world are measured from the General Post Office to the main post office in the destination town or city. This is symbolized by the Galton - Fenzi Memorial Monument on Kenyatta Avenue which indicates distances