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FEATURE Q&A: DUNCAN GARVIE, THEPOGG Earlier this year ThePOGG passed a big milestone after the amount returned to players via its complaints system passed the $1m mark. Manager Duncan Garvie talks to Joanne Christie about setting up the site with the goal of going into bat for players, and also gives his view of the challenges facing the UK affiliate market iGaming Business: How did you get involved in the affiliate space? Duncan Garvie: I started off as a player, primarily offline, but after making a reasonable amount of money doing that I wanted an activity that didn’t require so much travelling — but I still wanted to be involved in gambling. At that point, I decided to set up a site to help gamblers find quality sites to play with, ones that were more likely to treat them fairly and less likely to have complaints against them. Is this why you decided on the slightly unusual model of offering a mediation service? Personally, I wouldn’t be comfortable working within the market if we were sending players to operators that weren’t trustworthy, so it has always been our core focus to send players only to operators we feel are the very best in the market. I felt we needed a third party to stand up for players. The way we decided to make sure that our operators were the best and were treating players fairly was to run the complaints service, so if a player came to us and said, “I’ve been treated unfairly”, we had a voice with the operator. Not every operator responded positively to that, a lot of them don’t want to engage with third parties or do so reluctantly at best, but that’s what weeds the bad operators out and what you are left with is operators which are very player-focused and willing to listen when complaints come in. It has been very successful — only a few months ago we passed the milestone of more than $1 million returned to players and since that point we’ve returned almost a quarter of a million more. And we have a far closer relationship with those partners we work with than I think most affiliates do with the partners they work with. But how do you monetise this complaints provision? I’m reluctant to focus too heavily on monetising something of this nature. We do have a banner on our complaints page advertising some of our operators. That is in the process of a redesign and whether that remains or not I don’t “I feel that the complaints monetise themselves as what you end up with is a core group of engaged gamers who regularly return to the site” 30 iGB Affiliate Issue 66 DEC 2017/JAN 2018 know now. I feel that the complaints monetise themselves as what you end up with is a core group of engaged gamers who regularly return to the site. Quite often these are people we’ve helped and they are active gamers — that’s the type of traffic every affiliate wants on their site. What are the bulk of complaints you receive about? Mostly, they are bonus terms. You’ve also got a lot that are payment related, especially in markets outside the UK. The unlicensed US market is really bad for slow payments. Another rapidly rising area of complaints is responsible gaming. Players are becoming better educated as to what their rights are and what operators should be doing to protect vulnerable gamblers and vulnerable players. How do you balance your advocacy approach with maintaining good relationships with operators? Our rating system has always built in compliance with complaints. The operators at the top of our rankings all have a long history of being transparent and willing to discuss complaints, and in most situations nobody walks away with hard feelings after a complaint. Even when the operator